Client Server News articles from January 2004

Client Server News archives from January 2004

RealNetworks gives Microsoft a billion-dollar antitrust suit for Xmas.
January 9, 2004... RealNetworks Inc, the Seattle digital media/streaming media company started by ex-Microsoft exec Ron Glaser, sued Microsoft for antitrust violations late Thursday in a California federal court charging it with monopoly maintenance and demanding...

Can CA save Linux from the Great Satan SCO?(Computer Associates International Inc.)(The SCO Group Inc.)
January 9, 2004... It's dawned on Computer Associates that IBM pays it royalties for the SMP technology in AIX, IBM's version of Unix, because of the work done long ago by Unix icon Locus Computing Corporation. CA says it owns the Locus IP by virtue of its...

Marquee names to standardize server mgmt.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Dell, HP, IBM and Intel have bandied together in a new Distributed Management Task Force working group to develop specs to manage diverse servers and server blades and improve cross-platform systems management, lower operating costs and improve...

Microsoft reorganizes Windows group.
January 9, 2004... Microsoft has reorganized its operating systems unit, creating what is supposed to be a new centralized engineering division Windows Core Operating System Division (COSD)--hopefully to finally eradicate the widgetry's continuing and...

Microsoft & NY's bulldog attorney general vow to bleed spammers dry.(Eliot Spitzer)
January 9, 2004... Microsoft and Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney general who's had his hands full exposing the sins of Wall Street, have evidently sign a blood pact to put the worst of the spammers out of business by suing them into bankruptcy, figuring the...

The consolidation fairy strikes early; EMC jumps the gun & buys VMware for $635m.
January 9, 2004... EMC is buying privately held VMware Inc for $635 million in cash, 10% of its bank balance, moving now to prevent the virtualization house from either going public or getting bought by somebody else. It is, lest anyone need reminding, EMC's...

Zander to run Motorola.(Ed Zander)
January 9, 2004... Ed Zander, Sun's former number two whose 18-month absence hasn't improved Sun's fortunes a wit, is going to run Motorola, replacing chairman and CEO Chris Galvin, grandson of Moto's founder, who said in September, after a vote of no...

Sun drops fee to try Solaris x86.(Sun Microsystems Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Sun has canned the 20 bucks a pop it's been charging for evaluation copies of Solaris x86 and is giving downloads of the stuff away for nothing just like it does with evals of its Sparc-based operating system. It claims news of its alliance...

Micron exec to plead guilty.(Micron Technology Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... The Justice Department said Wednesday that Alfred Censullo, an executive at Micron Technology, had agreed to plead guilty to obstructing a grand jury investigation into a suspected conspiracy to fix DRAM prices. Micron, please note, is the...

Red Hat buys Sistina for $31m in stock.(Sistina Software Inc.)
January 9, 2004... Red Hat is buying storage infrastructure software house Sistina Software for $31 million in stock to provide Red Hat customers with a path to virtualization and vendor-independent storage solutions, it said Thursday when it posted its fiscal Q3...

2.6 Linux kernel released.(Linux Watch)
January 9, 2004... The 2.6 production version of the new state-of-the-art Linux kernel was released Thursday in time to turn it into a stocking stuffer--coal in the case of Microsoft. The source code is on the web at www.kernel.org and at ftp.kernel.org. The...

SCO attacked for being attacked.(Linux Watch)
January 9, 2004... At the end of last week the SCO Group, the industry's leading pariah, found itself in the ludicrous position of having to defend its contention that it was the subject of a crippling and expanding two-day Denial of Service attack for the third...

Hamachi to run $59-a-head.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Novell has put a $59-a-user price tag on Hamachi, the integrated package of file, print, messaging, directory and management services that it salvaged from NetWare and put on Linux under the name Nterprise Linux Service 1.0. Novell...

Lindows upgrades to 4.5.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Lindows.com, which Microsoft is now suing in Europe as well as America over its choice of name, has upgraded its desktop LindowsOS 4.0 kit to 4.5 adding integrated search, free SIPphone support and the ability to translate web content back and...

Home of Open Source capitalism.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Now there's a string of words that don't exactly fit comfortably next to one another. A clever little head-turning juxtaposition that this newfangled Open Source Business Conference (OSBC) being put together for March 16-17 in San Francisco is...

MandrakeSoft cuts losses but revenue's down 16%.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Stumbling French Linux house MandrakeSoft said it had cut its losses though revenues fell 16% to $4.84 million for the year ended September 30. Operating losses came to $2.69 million, or 73 cents, compared to $7.1 million, or $1.96 a...

Red Hat escapes penny ghetto.(growth in net sales)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Red Hat's net income rose sharply to $4.1 million, or two cents a share, on revenues of $33.1 million in its third fiscal quarter ended November 30, the second time its EPS has been more than a penny. It thinks it'll hit three cents this...

Whoops, there goes BizTalk Server 2004 sliding into '04.
January 9, 2004... Microsoft's BizTalk Server 2004 has slipped into next year. Scheduled to launch by the end of '03, Microsoft now says vaguely that it'll ship in early '04. A Microsoft spokesman claimed that there were no showstoppers and attributed...

SQL Server Reporting Services coming in January.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Microsoft plans to release its SQL Server Reporting Services reporting tool in January. The server-based program is supposed to increase business insight by providing real-time information from any data source to any device. The...

Fujitsu Siemens says its Opteron box is ready.(Fujitsu Siemens Computers)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Back in April when AMD finally got to launch its hybrid x86-64 Opteron in New York, Fujitsu Siemens sent along a video clip saying it was going to do an Opteron workstation. On Tuesday AMD got to say the Celsius V810 box, which uses the...

Storage software growth called robust.(Drive Bay)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... The worldwide storage software market grew 4.2% sequentially in the third quarter reaching $1.65 billion in revenues, according to the folks at IDC. IDC said that in the first nine months the market experienced 11.4% revenue growth...

Storage start-ups snag more funds.(Drive Bay)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... A bunch of storage start-ups including Data Domain, Aarohi Communications and Nexsan have managed to secure additional funding. * Palo Alto, California-based Data Domain, which offers a disk-based storage appliance designed for data...

Spirent launches new storage tester.(Drive Bay)
January 9, 2004... Spirent Communications has put out an integrated Block Storage Tester to measure the iSCSI and Fibre Channel performance of network switches and storage devices. The new tool is supposed to be capable of testing device throughput, total...

HIS 2004 beta arrives.(Host Integration Server )(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Microsoft has put out a beta of Host Integration Server 2004, the successor to HIS 2000. The thing, which hooks Windows to mainframes and mid-range systems, now supports HPR/IP protocol to connect more seamlessly to OS/390 and z/OS...

Sybase & Sun join forces.(Sun Microsystems Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Sybase's Adaptive Server Enterprise (ASE) can be had on the Solaris x86 operating system Platform Edition from Sun and the Developer Edition of ASE 12.5.1 will be bungled with the Platform Edition of both Solaris x86 and its big brother Sparc...

Redmond to launch compliance tool.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Microsoft plans to release a tool to facilitate corporate financial compliance. Dubbed Office Solution Accelerator for Sarbanes-Oxley, it's obviously supposed to help get publicly traded companies up to speed on Sarbanes-Oxley compliance....

SAP sets up in China & India.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... SAP has opened R&D labs in Shanghai, China and Bangalore, India. The Chinese unit will work on developing "strategic" software for sale in the West rather than localizing SAP goods, a task it does at another Chinese site. According to the...

IBM grazes in new pastures.(Green Pasture Software Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... IBM has acquired privately held document management software concern Green Pasture Software Inc on undisclosed terms. The operations of Corvallis, Oregon-based Green Pasture will be integrated into IBM's enterprise content management...

Oracle shines.(net sales improved)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... After a disappointing first quarter, Oracle turned in better-than-expected earnings for its second quarter ended November 30. It earned $617 million, or 12 cents a share, on revenues of $2.5 billion. Earnings per share were a penny higher...

Citrix snags Expertcity for $225m.(Citrix Systems Inc.)
January 9, 2004... Citrix is acquiring privately held web-based desktop access and training products provider Expertcity Inc in a $225 million deal evenly split between cash and stock. The deal includes an additional provision for $12 million to be paid to...

CoroSoft does Windows Servers.(CoroSoft Technologies)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... CoroSoft Technologies has added support for Windows Servers. The Sunnyvale, California outfit, which has been providing data center automation software for Linux and Solaris, now supports Windows Server 2000 and Windows Server 2003 as well...

Bye-bye, Tanglewood. Hello, Tukwila.(BILLY GRAMS)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Evidently Intel's lawyers nodded off there for a moment and let the boys down in the lab--or whoever's responsible for code names--baptize the post-Montecito multi-core multiprocessor chip the company's got on its Itanium roadmap Tanglewood....

IBM to give away 2m Home PCs.(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... IBM, which dropped out of the consumer market four years ago and no doubt thinks it's being fiendishly clever now, is going to give away two million 2.4GHz Celeron-based Microsoft XP Home PCs to poor slobs willing to sit still for three...

Flatliners.(BILLY GRAMS)
January 9, 2004... Windows 95 and 98 become cryogens on or about January 16. As expected, Microsoft won't support the operating systems after that. It remains to be seen whether the threat persuades users to finally move off these old systems and upgrade.

Hope you can still find your bubble pipe.(Salesforce.com Inc. files to go public )(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... God's gift to the CRM market, sexy on-demand Salesforce.com filed to go public Thursday. It's looking to raise $115 million and chi-chi Morgan Stanley will be bringing it out in a blow-out IPO that's supposed to be second in glory only to...

Seat belts for IBM hard drives.(BILLY GRAMS)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Analog Devices' iMEMS (an integrated micro electrical mechanical system) accelerometer technology, the widgetry cars use for airbags, is going to protect the hard drives in IBM's T and R series ThinkPad notebooks. An Analog Devices...

Bechtolsheim's back.(Andy Bechtolsheim joins Cisco Systems Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... Maybe it was the fact that ex-Sun COO Ed Zander finally got himself a real job running Motorola that inspired Sun co-founder, inventor of the workstation and serial entrepreneur Andy Bechtolsheim to throw in the towel at Cisco, where he's been...

Ken who?(BILLY GRAMS)
January 9, 2004... Rumor has it mentioning the name of Ken Olsen will get you thrown out of Scott McNealy's office. Evidently he's been hearing way too many comparisons.

Stop. Wait. Don't buy that TV you want until next Xmas.(BILLY GRAMS)(Brief Article)
January 9, 2004... According to the New York Times, Intel will be getting into the digital TV business come the big Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas in early January. It's got a new class of liquid crystal-on-silicon (LCoS) chips that integrate display, the...

Charlie's back & he's got a plan.(management of Charlie Northrup web service patents )
January 12, 2004... Charlie Northrup, the guy who may one day be recognized as owning the patent on web services, has wrestled two more patents out of the Patent and Trademark Office. He says it wasn't easy because the PTO understands the potential...

M'soft said to offer EU gov'ts free software.(Microsoft Corp.)
January 12, 2004... Microsoft has or is about to offer to supply the governments of EU countries with an unlimited number of free software licenses to settle the European antitrust case against it, according to a source who was reportedly briefed by Microsoft. ...

IBM allies with Topspin.(International Business Machines Corp., Topspin Communications Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Poor little orphan Infiniband may get a shot in the arm Tuesday when IBM is supposed to say that it'll be integrating Topspin Infiniband switch technology in its servers and TotalStorage products as well as reselling the switch to other people...

Start-up claims its chip will change blade server design.(NextIO Inc.'s data communications chip)
January 12, 2004... A little year-old start-up, whose name says a lot, thinks it's going to blow open the blade market. NextIO Inc out of Austin, Texas says blade servers haven't lived up to their promise, but it's going to fix that with its secret new class...

NT4, win 2K retirement creates hole for Apple to slip through.(Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 and Microsoft Windows 2000)(Mac OS X of Apple Computer inc.)
January 12, 2004... Apple thinks Microsoft has handed it an opportunity to sell its Mac OS XPowerPC-based servers. It thinks that with Microsoft putting NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 out to pasture - Windows 2000 is supposed to retire on April 1--it's got a chance...

SEC may sue IBM.
January 12, 2004... It looks like the SEC may take IBM to court. IBM got a Wells Notice saying SEC staff is considering recommending that the SEC bring a civil action against IBM for violating the securities laws. It seems that IBM allegedly aided and abetted...

SCO to detail its case against Linux to IBM by Monday.(International Business Machines Corp.)(The SCO Group Inc.)
January 12, 2004... At press time, the SCO Group expected that by Monday January 12 it would turn over to IBM all the evidence it had of Linux' alleged infringement on SCO-owned Unix IP that IBM asked for in its motion to compel discovery last month, thereby...

IBM CEO pushes Linux desktop internally.(International Business Machines Corp.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... The press has gotten its hands on an internal memo written by IBM CIO Bob Greenberg in November that says that IBM CEO Sam Palmisano "has challenged the IT organization, and indeed all of IBM, to move to a Linux-based desktop before the end of...

Red Flag & Miracle Linux teams up.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... China's Red Flag Software and Tokyo-based Oracle-majority-owned Miracle Linux have formed a joint venture to create a unified Linux platform for Asia that would harry Microsoft at least on the server side. At least that's what they hope....

Red Hat raises half-a-billion dollars.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Red Hat, which has always been so proud of its debt-free status but, at the same time, hates like hell to spend the money it's salted away in the bank, has borrowed $500 million that it said it might use to make acquisitions. It's sold off a...

Novell makes SuSE & Ximian play together.(Linux Watch)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Novell, which is in the process of buying SuSE, said Tuesday that the Ximian Desktop 2, which it already owns, now support the latest SuSE client editions, SuSE Linux Desktop and Linux 9.0. The upgraded Ximian 2 also includes the Ximian...

Happy anniversary, Richard.(Richard Stallman)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... This past Monday was Richard Stallman's 20th anniversary. Twenty years ago he quit his job at MIT and started developing the free GNU operating system. Twenty years and a complete GNU system suitable for production use has never been...

Sun huffy over, IBM absent from key web services work.(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Microsoft, BEA and Tibco, well, mostly Microsoft actually, have written a protocol they call WS-Eventing for "web services to subscribe to or accept subscriptions for event notification messages." In other words, real-life events like...

Hey, buddy, where ya get that VLIW technology you've got there?(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Sometime in August--they're still working on an exact date--HP is scheduled to be in court explaining exactly how performance-enhancing VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word) technology that it licensed over a decade ago from the now-defunct...

Greed, greed, greed, greed, greed.(Hewlett-Packard Co.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Okay, so let's understand this. According to HP CEO Carly Fiorina, "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore." Which is her way of saying that it's perfectly okay for IBM and HP and Dell to ship jobs to China, India,...

Microsoft eats its losses.
January 12, 2004... Right before Christmas, Microsoft agreed to write a $60 million check so the patent infringement case brought against it by Imagexpo LLC, a little-known subsidiary of $5 billion-a-year SPX Corporation, would go away. When the two sides...

IBM slims down its blades.(International Business Machines Corp.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Having wrestled with thermal issues, IBM says it's got the slimmest Intel-based blade server on the market, a four-way Xeon MP box designated the HS40. It says it provides three times the power in three-quarters of the space as HP blades...

Crusoe's footprint shrinks by half.(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Transmeta, which decided in the fall of '01, after the bottom fell out of the Japanese ultra-light notebook market, that it really needed to go after the embedded market, is bringing out two tiny x86 Crusoe chips this month that are supposed to...

Opteron gets its wheels, goes mobile.(Advanced Micro Devices Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... AMD on Tuesday finally delivered itself of the mobile version of its 64-bit hybrid chip, which appeared in three speeds, the 3200+, 3000+ and 2800+, which is AMDspeak for 2GHz, 1.8GHz and 1.6GHz respectively. The parts are priced in...

Next IDF scheduled for mid-February.(Intel Developer Forum )(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... The next Intel Developer Forum is set for February 17-19 in San Francisco at the Moscone Center West. Intel said that alongside the traditional three-day systems conference, it's going to run a two-day solutions conference on the 17th and 18th...

Veritas shores up utility computing with Ejasent.(acquisition)
January 12, 2004... Three months after Forrester analyst William Martorelli questioned the viability of four-year-old Ejasent Inc as a standalone company, he got his answer. Veritas said Wednesday that it was buying the privately held Ejasent for $59 million...

Intransa gets $8m.(Drive Bay)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... IP storage start-up Intransa has raised $8 million in VC funding taking its total financing to $49 million. The San Jose, California outfit plans to use the C round money to drive market adoption of its IP SAN products and push global...

Overland ups guidance.(Overland Storage Inc. financial earnings)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Overland Storage has raised its revenue and earnings guidance for its second fiscal quarter ended December 31. The San Diego, California concern now anticipates revenues will be about $67 million and EPS will come in at 23 cents on a GAAP...

CA to sell Accpac.(Computer Associates International Inc., ACCPAC International Inc., Sage Group)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Computer Associates is selling its Accpac subsidiary to the UK-based Sage Group, which goes by the name of Best Software in the US. Although the total value of the cash transaction was put at $110 million, CA will only get $88 million for...

Gateway flubs Q4.
January 12, 2004... Gateway warned investors Monday that fourth-quarter revenues fall short of projections. It now anticipates doing about $880 million instead of $925 million-$975 million. Gateway expects to post an operating loss, excluding restructuring...

Intel puts $200m behind convergence.(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Intel, generally recognized as the biggest VC in the Valley--with the recent scars to prove it--has set aside $200 million to put into companies developing innovative hardware, software connectivity and technologies supporting this newfangled...

Java tools group formed without IBM or Borland.(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... There is now a Java Tools Community (JTC), put together by folks in the Java Community Process (JCP) like BEA, Sun, Oracle and SAP and meant to represent the interests of the tools people in the standardization process. The JTC is supposed...

IBM snags Via.(International Business Machines Corp. IBM Microelectronics Div., Via Technologies )(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... IBM Microelectronics, which--God knows--has to keep the fires under its ovens stoked, apparently made Via Technologies a handsome offer and has waltzed it away from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, the world's biggest contract chip...

Well, that $2b didn't go very far.(Sun Microsystems Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Sun is killing off what's left of the Linux-based Cobalt appliance line that it spent $2.2 billion in stock buying three years ago. Ah, well, we said at the time that it was paying a lot for a little. Guess Sun kinda evened things up when...

Wowed by its success, HP licenses iPod.(Hewlett-Packard Co. signed Licensing agreements with Apple Computer Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Impressed by the success of Apple's iPod, Hewlett-Packard plans to introduce a HP-branded digital music player based on the thing. HP will also pre-install Apple's iTunes jukebox software and a desktop icon to the iTunes store on its consumer...

Mythic Entertainment sues Microsoft.
January 12, 2004... Now online games publisher Mythic Entertainment is suing Microsoft, which has become a veritable suit magnet. It's charging trademark violation and unfair competition. Mythic's suit, filed in federal court in Virginia, claims that...

Siebel beats its forecast.(Siebel Systems Inc.)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Siebel Systems reported preliminary fourth-quarter results above its projections. Total revenues for the quarter are expected to come in at about $365 million and licensed revenues at $150 million. Siebel expects EPS of eight cents. ...

They're mine. No, they're mine. No, they're mine.(Novell Inc. and The SCO Group Inc. fights over Unix copyrights )(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... SCO Group spokesman Blake Stowell says the company is having a word with the Copyright Office about those Unix copyrights that Novell registered on September 22 and October 14 of last year, the ones whose existence was only revealed at...

SAP rewriting all its software.(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... SAP is rewriting all its software to cut costs, both its own and its customers' airy maintenance costs, figuring on getting an edge on Oracle and PeopleSoft in the marketplace in the process, according to a scoop the Financial Times got. The...

A new product category is born.(BILLY GRAMS)
January 12, 2004... Transmeta has come up with a new product category, which it calls Ultra-Personal Computers or UPCs, which are PDAs able to run the full version of Windows XP and of course it's got the chips to support them. It sees these UPCs synchronized to...

Sun peeks out from behind the cloud.(Sun Microsystems Inc., )(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Merrill Lynch thinks that after a three-year hiatus Sun's installed base is starting to upgrade and that it looked strong closing the quarter. Merrill figures Sun is still losing market share to Dell and IBM so it attributes any strength to...

Dan Niles turns banker.(Neuberger Berman Technology Management appointed Dan Niles)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Dan Niles, Lehman Brothers' star analyst and head of its computer hardware and semiconductor research, is quitting the sell-side to dabble in equity investment. He is going to be CEO of Neuberger Berman Technology Management, a new business...

SCO board shrinks.(SCO Group appointed Daniel Campbell )(Steve Cakebread stepped down from SCO Group)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Steve Cakebread, who's been on the board of the SCO Group since July of 2000, stepped down on December 22, citing time constraints. Apparently he won't be replaced, leaving the company with a board of eight, five of them independent. Meanwhile,...

Twin listings.(BILLY GRAMS)
January 12, 2004... There's this idea floating around about stocks being listed on both the New York Stock Exchange and the Nasdaq. The story has HP's name attached to. HP CEO Carly Fiorina wouldn't say whether it was true or not. HP's on the Big Board.

Oracle lacks direction: Butler.(Butler Group)(Brief Article)
January 12, 2004... Oracle lacks direction, according to the Butler Group. The market for managing the nice neat structured data that fits in nice neat relational rows and columns is pretty well saturated, while 80% of the data people handle, all the unstructured...

WebTV co-founder dead at 39.(Phil Goldman)(Brief Article)(Obituary)
January 12, 2004... Phil Goldman, one of the three Apple refugees who started WebTV and sold the overpriced venture to Microsoft for $425 million in 1997, died on Christmas Day. The reason for his death at 39 has yet to be explained. He was known to be a fitness...

Tim Berners-Lee knighted.(BILLY GRAMS)
January 12, 2004... London-born, Oxford-schooled Tim Berners-Lee has been dubbed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire for creating the World Wide Web.

CSN 531-01 Judge lets Eolas verdict stand.
January 19, 2004... The judge who oversaw the Eolas jury trial this summer that found--much to the consternation of the web community--that Microsoft's browser infringes Eolas' patent and awarded the little company $521 million in damages turned down Microsoft's...

CSN 531-02 Egenera courted to go public.(Brief Article)
January 19, 2004... Egenera has taken in a fourth, reportedly oversubscribed, round worth $30 million so it can capitalize on the roll that it's on, it said. The company is supposed to be in the grip of "explosive growth." Anyway, the company's valuation was...

CSN 531-03 HP to license its IP.
January 19, 2004... Hewlett-Packard has set up a new IP licensing organization to leverage its large patent portfolio. It said all its patents, copyrights, trademarks and trade secrets are up for grabs. The move is a tad inconsistent since HP supported W3C's...