Label & Narrow Web articles from October 2008

Label & Narrow Web archives from October 2008

EDITORIAL.(Tag and Label Manufacturers Institute Inc.)(Editorial)(Conference notes)
October 1, 2008... For 14 years I have been attending the meetings of the Tag & Label Manufacturers Institute, both the converter meetings in late winter and the annual meetings in the fall. Back in the mid-1990s the association gave off the aroma of an Old Boy's...

UPM continues its restructuring.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... UPM, based in Helsinki, Finland, continues actions to secure its profitability in a business environment of slow growth and rising costs. The paper manufacturing giant announced a major corporate restructuring last week, and now says it will...

Schreiner opens plant in NY.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Schreiner MediPharm, a Germany based manufacturer of specialty pharmaceutical labels for more than 50 years, has opened a production plant in Blauvelt, NY, USA, about 25 miles from New York City. About 100 customers, employees, suppliers, local...

Nilpeter to manufacture presses in India.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Nilpeter, a narrow web press manufacturer based in Slagelse, Denmark, has announced that it will begin manufacturing flexo presses in India as part of a joint venture with partner Proteck Machinery. The featured press of this partnership is a...

Smyth names new president.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Jim Lundquist has been named president of Smyth Companies, a label converter with headquarters in St. Paul, MN, USA. Lundquist has been with Smyth since 2005, having originally been charged with developing strategy to help the company...

Six multi-plastics plants gain AIB compliance.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Multi-Plastics Inc.)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... Multi-Plastics Inc., Lewis Center, OH, USA, has announced that in addition to its Ohio facility, the company's plants in New Jersey, Georgia, Illinois, California, and Canada have been audited and passed, on their first attempts, the AIB...

JV Imaging to distribute MacDermid products.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... JV Imaging Solutions, based in Northborough, MA, USA, has been retained by MacDermid Printing Solutions to distribute MacDermid's photopolymer plate products and equipment in the US. The arrangement became effective October 1. "JV Imaging...

TLMI salutes winners of press guard competition.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... TLMI held an award ceremony for the winners of its press guard competition at Labelexpo Americas in Chicago in September. Participants of the competition, all narrow web press operators, were asked to submit designs for a flexographic press...

HP names winners in digital label competition.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Hewlett Packard announced the winners of the second HP Indigo Digital Label & Packaging Competition at an awards gala held at Labelexpo Americas in September. The competition recognizes customers from around the world for their commitment to...

Graymills appoints new sales representative.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(marketing agreement between Jacob Flexographic Services and Graymills Graphic Arts)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... Jacob Flexographic Services, of Califon, NJ, USA, has been appointed the exclusive Graymills Graphic Arts sales representative for New Jersey and parts of New York State, in addition to the territories he already covers for Graymills. The...

McCourt awarded ISO 14001 certification.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... McCourt Label, Lewis Run, PA, USA, has achieved ISO 14001 accreditation, illustrating its current and future commitment to minimizing environmental impact. The ISO 14001 international standard provides both a model for streamlining...

Boise introduces sustainable products.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Boise Label & Release, Bensenville, IL, USA, has announced the addition of recycled content products and chain of custody certification to its portfolio of release liners and label facestocks. The sustainability offering builds on the...

AVT's first half revenues are up 113 percent.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Financial report)
October 1, 2008... Advanced Vision Technology (AVT), has announced record revenues for the first half and the second quarter of 2008. The company, which manufactures optical inspection and quality assurance systems for the printing industry, had first half...

Mondi and 3M sign licensing agreement.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... 3M, through its Commercial Graphics Division, has entered into a licensing agreement granting limited rights to 3M patented technology to Mondi, a manufacturer of release liners. The licensed technology enables Mondi to structure the surface of...

UPM Raflatac achieves three forest certifications.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... UPM Raflatac Inc., Fletcher, NC, USA, has announced the company's achievement of chain of custody certification from the world's three prominent forest certification organizations--the Sustainable Forestry Initiative, the Programme for the...

Cortegra introduces extended content labels.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Cortegra, a provider of labels and packaging products for the pharmaceutical and related industries, has introduced extended content labels (ECL) with proprietary designs for information-rich products, multiple language translations and lengthy...

Lake Image Systems moves into Asia.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... To support growth throughout Asia, Lake Image Systems has opened a sales and service operation in Singapore. Operational in early August, Lake Image Systems Asia provides marketing, sales, service and support for Lake Image's range of print and...

College flexo competitors get their 2009 challenge.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Students who are studying flexography in colleges throughout North America are gearing up for the next Phoenix Challenge, an annual competition that tests their knowledge and skills. The 2009 competition will be held in May in conjunction with...

DuPont announces cyrel price increases.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... DuPont Packaging Graphics, Wilmington, DE, USA, has announced that it will implement surcharges and price increases of up to 10 percent globally, effective Sept. 15. Specific terms are being addressed regionally. Flexographic printing plates,...

Juliet Midlik elected president of CEMA.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... CEMA, the Converting Equipment Manufacturers Association, has elected Juliet Midlik to be its president for the 2008-2009 term. Midlik, vice president of sales at Prime UV Systems, has spent more than 15 years in technical sales and marketing...

Harper draws a crowd for sleeve education.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Harper GraphicSolutions, the technical service arm of anilox supplier Harper Corporation of America, recently hosted an educational seminar about anilox sleeve care for its customers, flexo suppliers and OEMs. More than 50 guests gathered for...

Kodak names JV its reseller of Flexcel NX.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... JV Imaging Solutions, a distributor of flexographic equipment, has signed on with Kodak's Graphic Communications Group as an authorized reseller of the integrated Kodak Flexcel NX Digital Flexographic System. Distribution covers the United...

Lauterbach Group goes green.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Lauterbach Group, Waukesha, WI, USA, has begun construction of a new LEED production plant in Sussex, WI. The facility is designed using the LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) Green Building Rating System, which encourages the...

Edale expands with new plant in Britain.(INDUSTRY NEWS)
October 1, 2008... Edale Ltd., a manufacturer of printing and converting equipment in the UK, is moving. Currently based in two industrial units in Romsey, Hampshire, Edale will be moving during 2009 to a custom-built headquarters factory in Whiteley, 20 miles...

PRPflexo announces further digital expansion.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... PRPflexo, Indianapolis, IN, USA, a flexographic print plate manufacturer, has announced further expansion at its facility to include another DuPont Cyrel digital imager. General Manager Chris Green says, "Since the recent release of our...

Gerhardt & Jet Tech announce partnership.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Gerhardt)(Jet Technologies)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... Gerhardt, a Denmark based manufacturer of cutting tools and associated products, announced a partnership with Australia's leading supplier of machinery and consumables to the narrow web market, Jet Technologies. With sales offices and...

Hundreds gather for Label Industry Global Awards.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Industry overview)
October 1, 2008... Xeikon, ExxonMobil, Metro Label Group and Neil McDonough of FLEXcon were saluted at the fifth annual Label Industry Global Awards banquet, which was held on the first evening of Labelexpo Americas 2008 in Chicago. The event attracted more than...

Degrava Systems has Australian distribution.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Degrava Systems and Label Power )(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... Degrava Systems, Roswell, GA, USA, a manufacturer of desktop digital color label presses, has expanded its reach to a sixth continent with the appointment of Label Power of Australia. Label Power will distribute the DP 8500 four-color, toner...

LasX industries forms new company in US.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(LasX industries forms LaserSharp FlexPak Services LLC.)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... LasX Industries Inc. has announced the formation of a new company, LaserSharp FlexPak Services LLC. The new company recently commenced operations at a new 18,0000 square foot facility in Vadnais Heights, MN, USA, about two miles from the LasX...

Arpeco adds distributor in China, HK and Macao.(INDUSTRY NEWS)(Brief article)
October 1, 2008... Arpeco, a Precision Automation Company, has appointed the ITC Group the distributor of its products in the Peoples Republic of China, Hong Kong and Macao. The ITC Group will provide spare parts and technical support from its facility in...

Douglas Nelson.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... ANDERSON & VREELAND, Bryan, OH, USA--The company has appointed Douglas Nelson as western regional sales manager. In his new position, Nelson will supervise sales and technical service for Anderson & Vreeland's customers throughout an 11 state...

Juliet Midlik.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... CEMA, Fort Mill, SC USA--The Converting Equipment Manufacturers Association (CEMA) has elected Juliet Midlik president for a two year term. Midlik is vice president, sales, for Prime UV Systems. [ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]

Brian Ellis.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... FLXON, Charlotte, NC, USA--The company has announced that Brian Ellis has been promoted to technical sales manager. He will be responsible for new customer development and customer management in states east of the Colorado Rockies. ...

Chris Schowalter.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... GMG AMERICAS, Norwell, MA, USA--The US-based office of GMG announced that Chris Schowalter has been promoted to western region channel manager, while Kevin Rowe has been promoted to manager, technical services.

Hans-Joachim Kogelnik.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... KLOCKNER PENTAPLAST, Montabaur, Germany--The company has appointed Hans-Joachim Kogelnik as president and COO for its European operations effective September 1.

Marcel Hage.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... MAXCESS INTERNATIONAL, Oklahoma City, OK, USA--The company has announced the promotion of Marcel Hage to president and COO. [ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]

Gary Owen.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... MULLER MARTINI, Hauppauge, NY, USA--As part of its shift of Mailroom Systems sales and marketing, Muller Martini has named Gary Owen its new vice president of sales. Owen will direct all sales activities for the newspaper industry. ...

Donald E. Kneir.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... MULTI-COLOR CORPORATION, Sharonville, OH, USA--Multi-Color has announced the departure of Donald E. Kneir, president, North American Business Unit.

Jim Lundquist.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... SMYTH COMPANIES, St. Paul, MN, USA--The company has announced the promotion of Jim Lundquist to the position of president. [ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]

John Richardson.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... STORK CELLRAMIC, Milwaukee, WI, USA--Stork Cellramic has announced the appointment of John Richardson as regional sales manager for anilox rolls. Richardson will support printing clients in Illinnois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan, and...

Tom King.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... TAILORED SOLUTIONS, Milwaukee, WI, USA--Tom King has been tabbed to conduct technical support and training for the Label Traxx product. [ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]

Milan Moscaritolo.(INDUSTRY PEOPLE)
October 1, 2008... TORAY PLASTICS (AMERICA), North Kingston, RI, USA--The company announces the appointment of Milan Moscaritolo to the position of director of sales and marketing, Lumirror Polyester Film Division.

Agfa: a digital dilemma.(NARROW WEB EUROPE)
October 1, 2008... Photographic films were for decades the flagship product of Belgium based Agfa. Then digital cameras came along and the flagship ran aground. Agfa has since done a creditable job in reinventing itself, developing in particular prepress systems...

An era worth celebrating.(MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS)(Tag and Label Manufacturers Institute)
October 1, 2008... I recently experienced the frustrating but all too familiar you're-a-number-not-a-person treatment at the hands of one of our nation's wonderful telephone/television/web access monoliths. In the process of planning a move, I attempted to get...

Are you sincere?(LETTERS FROM THE EARTH)
October 1, 2008... Over the last several years, every printing and packaging trade publication has had countless columns, articles, and editorials on the "greening" of our industry. Not to be outdone, Labelexpo, American version, had the same plethora of green...

The power of service.(FIELD REPORT)(Springfield Label & Tape Co. )(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... Service with a capital 'S', that's what we get from Springfield Label and Tape," says Edith Burek, purchasing administrator for OnCore Marketing Systems of Springfield, MA, USA. OnCore is at the forefront of supply chain management and contract...

Steering the wrong course.(PRINTING LEAN)
October 1, 2008... Over the past year I've written about ways that you, the label converter, can make successful inroads on your Lean journey. This month we'll take a different tack and discuss how things can go wrong, terribly wrong, and derail or even stop your...

Artcraft Label.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... Artcraft Label has been in business since 1977. The original owner was a salesman for what eventually became CCL. In 1986, John and Edna Robinson acquired the company, which occupied a little shop in Burlington, ON, Canada, a suburb of Toronto....

Germark.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... When HP Indigo invited an international group of prospective customers to its European headquarters and research center near Barcelona, they bussed everyone off to visit two of their local success stories. One of them was Germark, a label...

HF Etiquettes.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... In common with many medium-sized French pressure-sensitive label converters, HF Etiquettes, founded in 1981, is a family business. Its offices and plant are in Willems, near Lille in Northern France and literally a stone's throw from the...

KDV Label.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... KDV Label's beginning couldn't be much more humble, but it speaks volumes as to how far this company has come. In 1974, label production manager Dick Vaughn, and his wife Karen, a nurse, decided to borrow $1,700 and buy a 4.25" wide, four color...

McCourt Label.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... McCourt Label, located in Lewis Run, PA, USA, was a company to watch over a hundred years ago, when it was known as the McCourt Label Cabinet Company, which got its start in 1896. Back then, the company was known for producing large wooden...

Nuceria Adesivi.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... Two thousand years ago Mount Vesuvius exploded, burying the surrounding town and villages in immense layers of ash and mud. Today the expressway from Naples to Salerno skirts round dormant Vesuvius through a landscape of small towns and rolling...

Steinhauser printing.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... Steinhauser Printing is 103 years old. Since 1905 the company has produced top quality sheetfed offset products--including quite a few labels--from its plant in the Cincinnati, OH, USA, region. A few years ago, when the company was 99 years...

Western Shield Label.(Companies to Watch)(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... Western Shield Label, located in Rancho Dominguez, CA, USA, is a company well worth watching. Since a change in ownership in 2001, the company's annual sales figures have jumped from $3.25 million to $6.5 million. These figures point to a label...

China's label market.(China International Exhibition on the Label Printing Industry)(Market overview)
October 1, 2008... The global spotlight has been shining on China. Playing host to the Olympic games, the Chinese were thrust front and center onto the international stage, opening its doors for the world to see how far this country has come. By many accounts,...

Happy 75th anniversary: 75 years of dedication to the industry.(Company overview)
October 1, 2008... The year was 1933, and the era was that of the Great Depression. Pressure sensitive labels were a thing of the future, and tags dominated a great part of the packaging landscape, such as it was. Businesses were struggling, so to bolster...

Linerless labels: as converters and end users strive to become increasingly more environmentally sustainable, it's worth taking a look at a labeling option that can stand toe to toe with any when it comes to having eco-friendly, waste-eliminating attributes.
October 1, 2008... Linerless labels are pressure sensitive labels that do not have a release liner. Imagine a standard roll of tape, and you can envision just how linerless labels function. Here's how it works: The labels are wound on a roll that has the release...

Adhesive applicators: applying adhesive to the web in stripes, patterns or spots can open up new markets to converters.
October 1, 2008... Running pressure sensitive label stock through an inline press requires a fair amount of skill. It's a task that thousands of operators around the world do every day with ease and precision. They know the sound of the press when it's running...

Project LIFE: a new program from TLMI gives its members the capability of certifying that their plants, practices and products meet or exceed environmental standards.
October 1, 2008... Two years ago I accepted an invitation to join a group of TLMI members who wanted to create a roadmap, perhaps to establish some guidelines, that could help label converting companies become more environmentally friendly. It was a privilege to...

Labelexpo Americas '08: this year's Labelexpo, held in Chicago, drew a crowd of more than 12,000 attendees. While the number is below that of previous years, exhibitors report that the attendees were the decision makers at converting companies.
October 1, 2008... Although attendance was down from previous years, Labelexpo Americas 2008 was described by many exhibitors as a "quality" event, attended by the right people from productive converting companies from North and South America and beyond. ...

Handheld anilox microscope.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... HARPER CORPORATION OF AMERICA Charlotte NC USA HarperScientific, the printing and coating supplies division of global anilox supplier Harper Corporation of America, has introduced the Handheld TRM-C Series 400x Microscope. Just 1.10...

Synthetic papers.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... HOP INDUSTRIES Lyndhurst NJ USA 800-524-0757, www.hopindustries.com Hop Industries introduces two synthetic paper products. The new white opaque Hop-Syn XT synthetic paper is designed for offset printing of indoor and outdoor POP...

Templates.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... WORLDLABEL.COM Garrison NY USA Worldlabel.com has released autofillPDF-Labels 1.0, free autofill templates in PDF format. These templates are provided as a free PDF download and are cross platform and application independent and will...

Film products.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... 3 SIGMA Troy OH USA 800-347-3091, 3sigma.cc 3 Sigma introduces two new additions to its Sigmature line for affixed or integrated cards. The company is now able to offer 3-up card pattern #4222 in landscape configuration from...

Laser cutter.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... SPARTANICS Rolling Meadows IL USA 847-394-5700, www.spartanics.com The Spartanics Finecut Sheet Fed Laser Cutting Machine is now available to label manufacturers and other converters. Unlike earlier generations of sheetfed laser...

Thermal transfer.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... FLEXcon Spencer MA USA 508-885-8300, www.FLEXcon.com FLEXcon has announced that six of its most recent product offerings for thermal transfer print technology are now available in pre-slit rolls. The products are: COMPUcal EXCEL...

Plate mounter.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... MARK ANDY St. Louis MO USA 800-700-6275 www.markandv.com Mark Andy introduces its most updated and efficient plate mounter, the VPM400. The company says this new plate mounter affords the customer high-quality video plate...

Retrofit systems.(Narrow Web Products)
October 1, 2008... MAINPLATE CONTROLS Brampton ON Canada 647-299-0844, www.mainplate.com Mainplate Controls launches its retrofit counter and RFID pre-check verification system. The Retrofit Counter MCR 006 replaces and provides imperial or metric...

Core adapter.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... CAC Wind Gap PA USA 800-433-2413 www.handleyourweb.com CAC (Converter Accessory Corporation) is offering new core adapters with the company's COR-LOK core support technologies. The system uses sleeve based technology...

RFID tag inserter.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... SCHOBER USA Cincinnati OH USA 513-489-7393, www.schoberusa.com Schober USA unveils its RFID-CP for medium and small label runs using pre-printed heavy label stock. This technology inserts UHF and HF inlays under diecut blank or...

Midweb packaging press.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... MARK ANDY COMCO St Louis MO USA 800-700-6275, www.markandy.com Mark Andy Inc. has announced the newest addition to its line of Comco equipment, the C1 ProGlide. The midweb press offers flexibility and configurability, high...

Filmstock.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... UPM RAFLATAC Fletcher NC USA 828-651-4869, www.upmraflatac.com UPM Raflatac has released a new face material to the Americas market--Polyjetlaser Matte Transparent. This filmstock supports a wide array of multipurpose laser and...

Ink cleaner.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... ADVANCED INK & CHEMICAL Bensalem PA USA 215-639-8580, www.advancedinks.com Advanced ink & Chemical has introduced Ink Sol UV 1001. Ink Sol UV 1001 has less than 5 percent VOC content and is a perfect fit for the printer who needs...

Sustainable films.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... INNOVIA FILMS Wigton Cumbria England 44-0-16973-42281, www.innoviafilms.com Innovia Films' NatureFlex range has now expanded to bring the pressure sensitive label converter a choice of clear, white or metalized sustainable label...

Quick mounts for idler rolls.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... WEBEX Neenah WI USA 920-729-6666, www.webexinc.com Three pre-engineered mounts from Webex simplify and speed dead shaft idler roll mount installation. The Quickie Mount tolerates some degree of misalignment, such as mounting to an...

Masking film.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... SOLUTIA Martinsville VA USA Solutia introduces MF15LT, a premium clean, optically clear protective masking film. Developed primarily for electronics and display applications that require cleanliness and easy removability, MF15LT...

Digital materials.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... MASTERPIECE GRAPHIX Fenton MO USA Masterpiece Graphix introduces ENVision, a series of roll and sheet Indigo products that give end users the freedom to choose their desired level of sustainability. MGX ENVision allows consumers to...

Digital system.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... ALL PRINTING RESOURCES Glendale Heights IL USA APR's DL[P.sup.3] System combines the EFI Colorproof XF proofing system, an Epson 4880 Inkjet printer and the Allen Datagraph Systems Digital Finishing System (an all-in-one digital...

Tamper-evident film.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... HUTCHISON MILLER SALES New Britain PA USA Hutchison Miller Sales has introduced a larger format version of its Clarifoil Integuard tamper-evident film, which is now available in 6,500 foot rolls with an OD of up to 19". The acetate...

Vacuum generators.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... EXAIR Cincinnati OH USA EXAIR's new E-Vac is a series of low cost, compact, compressed air powered vacuum generators for "pick and place" clamping, lifting, chucking, and surface mounting applications. E-Vac has been engineered for...

Knife holder.(NARROW WEB PRODUCTS)
October 1, 2008... DIENES WERKE Overath Germany Dienes Werke, a supplier of industrial slitting products, presents its new shear cut knife holder PSG mini 19 DF, now also available with razor blade head. This way, both the shear as well as the razor...

2008-2009 industry events.(Calendar)
October 1, 2008... OCTOBER 2008 8-10 PLGA Annual Technical Conference Galt House hotel, Louiville,KY,USA. Produced by the Packaging & Label Gravure Association. Jim Lepp, 920-217-6059; ...

Blogging China.(THE BLOGSMITH)
October 1, 2008... You can't read a business magazine today without reading about China. Having staged a successful Olympic Games and endured a devastating earthquake, China has been in the news a lot this year. With the world's largest population and the second...